Matthew Shoemaker:
So if the Russians were to use nuclear weapons, then that's it, really is kind of a brave new world at that point. It's there, there hasn't been the usage of nuclear weapons in a live combat area since the Second World War. So, especially since the Russians have very tiny nuclear weapons. I think what would probably happen, at least initially, is we would see a cut-off of Swift, for example, for the Russians. And I think that we, NATO, in particular, in the European Union would shut down as much trade as possible, including the Russian imports are the importation of Russian energy into the EU, it really would not be tenable at that point anymore for them to do that. So I think that's what would be the initial reaction, and whether or not you know, nuclear weapons would be used in response, it goes back to my earlier response of it is a political decision at that point. And, you know, the Biden White House has certainly been very reticent to get too terribly involved in these things. Boris Johnson over in the UK has been far more gung-ho if you will. That goes back to historical reasons, to a certain extent, since the Russians and the British have always kind of interfered with each other to a certain extent. But that's that's. But yeah, that is, that's essentially what we're looking at if the Russians were to use nuclear weapons.

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